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Poster: Albix Date: Dec 18, 2012 9:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

Yes. This is going on now. A website called rockincd DOT com has been selling music downloaded directly from the LMA. Recordings of the Grateful Dead and Little Feat just to name two are for sale in CD and .mp3 format. This has been going on for at least two years. I have emailed archive.org, dead.net, rhino.com, munckmix.com, NBC, the NIAA and a few others.

Here's what I found on the LMA as far a the Grateful Dead's approach to commercial gain from their music here, "No commercial gain may be sought by websites offering digital files of our music, whether through advertising, exploiting databases compiled from their traffic, or any other means.
All participants in such digital exchange acknowledge and respect the copyrights of the performers, writers and publishers of the music"

I am really surprised that this is still going on after two years and that this thief is still in business.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HEAR ARCHIVE.ORG'S POSITION ON THIS PROBLEM.

I know this isn't the first post about "rockincd" and I know my email isn't the first they're received.

I am not asking for a moderator's opinion since I know they are volunteers.

Thanks.

This post was modified by Albix on 2012-12-18 17:53:44

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Poster: GratefulDad Date: Dec 19, 2012 9:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

It's just my opinion, but if your favorite band is on this rockincd site, you should contact the band and tell them.

Let them know you appreciate the trust they put in us to not profit from the music.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Dec 18, 2012 5:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

hey, this thief has been confirmed. I just visited their site:
http://www.rockincd.com/

Then I selected one of the shows I taped, the Grateful Dead at RFK Stadium on June 10, 1973:
http://www.rockincd.com/66721880-GratefulDead-USA-Washington-RFKStadium-1973-06-10

They have my AUD tapes from the LMA on sale at their web site for the above show: "$11.99 for MP3 or $ 19.99 for the CD"

They have tons of stuff being stolen and sold there. I object in the strongest terms possible. Somebody, please call the cops on these butt-wipes. Thanks.

peace

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Poster: JackDog Date: Dec 18, 2012 9:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

That's pretty messed-up, because if I didn't know about music downloading sites I would think that rockincd was an amazing place. A little bit expensive, but they've got some great stuff for sale.

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Poster: Winsome_Holstein_Nebula Date: Dec 20, 2012 3:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

If you provide a ‘free’* public service – replete with warnings and disclaimers regarding commercial activity – sooner rather than later, someone will seize upon the gift as a opportunity to turn a buck.

If give the chance, I would beseech the LMA and Archive.org to get out front and lead the call to prosecute. I do this in full knowledge that I am personally guilty of having supported such activity in the past – my still very good condition copy of the “Make Believe Ballroom 1975 Spot Check” double LP, ( later to become the first "vault" cd ), produced and sold by The Amazing Kornyphone Record Label, is a prized and treasured possession.

As noted above in my personal example, rockincd is far from the first, they won’t be the last. If we wish to preserve this astounding public music library – we should clearly stand behind the artists and do what we can to support an effort by Archive.org to lead the to call to legal prosecution.

* BTW - none of this is free - servers and the labour to keep them up and the site developed cost money. Make a donation to Archive.org.

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Poster: Albix Date: Dec 22, 2012 10:14am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

I am wondering why folks at the Archive are not responding to this post. I am beginning to get the feeling that between the bands, the people who are in charge of shutting these types of sites down and the archive, no one cares enough to do anything about the situation. Very discouraging. A lot of lip service about keeping the music free and out of the hands of thieves and NO action. Prove me wrong and at least make some kind of announcement about what we can do and bout what you are going to do.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgreenone Date: Dec 22, 2012 10:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

The issue has been reported to the legal department. Not sure where it goes from there.

That being said, what would you propose we do? We don't hold the copyright, and there's no feasible way of tracking exactly which download of which show is from the violator - if there is just one. The site is also (apparently) hosted in Sweden, which limits the reach even further.

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Poster: Albix Date: Dec 22, 2012 11:00am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

I was originally told that as volunteers, moderators couldn't comment. Makes sense to me, so everything I read said to email info@archive. So I did. I didn't hear back so I called the main office. I was told the person who handles this kind if thing was out but I would hear back. Never heard back. I know who the archive is up against so I don't expect miracles. I do expect so basic communication however. I know as a a "patron" I'm a tiny cog. All I really wanted here was to get a confirmation from the powers that i had been heard. No one likes to be ignored.

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Poster: Shiva Ho Date: Jan 9, 2013 1:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

Anyway to Block them from stealing? BLacklisting their domain?

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Poster: Shiva Ho Date: Jan 9, 2013 1:43pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

Contact Anonymous, Maybe they can bring that site down!


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Poster: steve_finger Date: Dec 26, 2012 6:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Commercial gain from Live Music Archive collection

I think a denial of service attack is in order.......

ideas, anyone?